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Are America's divisions really about red versus blue?

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River to River, hosted by Ben Kieffer

Are America’s divides truly political — or is something else at work? In his new book Nations Apart: How Clashing Regional Cultures Shattered America, historian and New York Times bestselling author Colin Woodard argues that today’s polarization can’t be explained by Democrat/Republican or urban/rural divides. Instead, he traces these conflicts back to regional worldviews rooted in the nation’s earliest settlement patterns.

This show was originally produced Nov. 25, 2025.

Guest:

  • Colin Woodard, historian, author of Nations Apart: How Clashing Regional Cultures Shattered America
Ben Kieffer is the host of "River to River." Since 2007, Kieffer has interviewed, conversed with, and shared ideas from guests of all backgrounds and locations, and has helped listeners better understand, appreciate, and explore their state and the world around them. Kieffer has a bachelor's degree from the University of Iowa.
Caitlin Troutman is an award-winning talk show producer for Iowa Public Radio. She holds a bachelor's degree from William Jewell College. Since 2022, Troutman has worked with IPR's talk team to bring news and features to IPR's listening audience.
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