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What a two-hour call between President Biden and Russian President Putin says about the high stakes over Ukraine

On this episode of River to River, host Ben Kieffer talks to political scientists Sara Mitchell, of the University of Iowa, and Jonathan Hassid, of Iowa State University, about President Joe Biden's conversation with Vladimir Putin over Ukraine. They also discuss the U.S. diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics, the Department of Justice suing Texas over its new voting boundaries and the late U.S. Senator Bob Dole who died Sunday, December 5.


  • Sara Mitchell, the F. Wendell Miller Professor of Political Science at the University of Iowa 
  • Jonathan Hassid, associate professor of political science at Iowa State University
Ben Kieffer is the host of IPR's River to River
Matthew was a producer for IPR's River to River and Talk of Iowa