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River to River, hosted by Ben Kieffer

Water: who controls it, who protects it and who decides its fate? Ben Kieffer speaks with author Royal Gardner on this archive episode.

In 2023, the U.S. Supreme Court narrowed the definition of the Waters of the United States in the case Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency. The result of that decision is estimated to have eliminated more than half of the nation's wetland acres eligible for protections by the Clean Water Act.

Host Ben Kieffer discusses that decision and how it impacts Iowa with Royal Gardner, author of Waters of the United States: POTUS, SCOTUS, WOTUS, and the Politics of a National Resource.

This episode was originally produced in October 2025.

Guest:

  • Royal Gardner, Hugh F. Culverhouse Professor of Law and director of the Institute for Biodiversity Law and Policy, Stetson University College of Law
Ben Kieffer is the host of "River to River." Since 2007, Kieffer has interviewed, conversed with, and shared ideas from guests of all backgrounds and locations, and has helped listeners better understand, appreciate, and explore their state and the world around them. Kieffer has a bachelor's degree from the University of Iowa.
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