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A conversation with Anita Hill and a field trip to the Ripple bus

River to River, hosted by Ben Kieffer

Listen back to Ben Kieffer's conversation with lawyer, educator and author Anita Hill. Then listen to the archive recording of his trip to meet a family transforming a school bus into their home.

Thirty years ago, she faced down an all-male, all-white Senate Judiciary Committee. Host Ben Kieffer speaks with educator, advocate and author Anita Hill.

On this episode of River to River, we listen back to Kieffer's conversation with Hill about her latest book, "Believing: Our Thirty-Year Journey to End Gender Violence." In it, Hill draws on her decades as a teacher and legal scholar to explore the sweeping impact of gender-based violence, why it persists and what we can do to protect future generations.

Later on, listeners meet an Iowa family who plans to travel North America in their school bus home for the next two years.

The first segment with Anita Hill first aired on October 7, 2021. The second segmentfirst aired August 2, 2021.


  • Anita Hill, educator, legal scholar, advocate and author, "Believing: Our Thirty-Year Journey to End Gender Violence."
  • Chris Tallman, builder and designer based in Iowa City
  • Cactus Tallman, oldest son of Chris Tallman
  • Oakley Tallman, middle son of Chris Tallman
  • Cedar Tallman, youngest son of Chris Tallman
Ben Kieffer is the host of IPR's River to River
Zachary Oren Smith is a reporter covering Eastern Iowa